Seth Godin on Tribes: Part 2

tribes Today on The Bigg Success Show, we continued chatting with Seth Godin about his great new book Tribes. Last time, Seth told us what a tribe is, what the leader does, and why the quality of a tribe is more important than its quantity.



Why Seth became a leader


marylynnSeth, you said that a leader connects the tribe and gives them a voice. Obviously, you’re the leader of a tribe. What motivated you to be a leader?



seth_godinWhen I see things that are broken or aren’t the way they should be, when I see wasted resources and talent, it bothers me. I want to do something about it. I want to talk about it. I want to point it out. I want to help people see that there’s a different path. What I discovered, mostly from my blog over the last six or seven years, is that there are other people like me who are itching to make a difference. All I do is tell people stuff they already knew. All I do is give names to things that are already out there. But by giving it a name, by talking about it, I’m allowing people to say, “That’s right. The emperor has no clothes.” I’m allowing people to go to their boss and talk about remarkable products in a clever way or go to their boss and talk about treating people with respect instead of spamming them. By giving people this ammunition, what I’ve discovered is that I thought they were doing something for me, by letting me influence the discussion. They’re actually doing something for themselves because they, even more than I, want to see these things fixed and improved so they reach their potential.


The Power of One


georgeWell Seth, you’re being very humble when you say that you’re just saying things that other people have said. I think you say them in a way that cuts through and clarifies so we all understand. One of the things you talk about in Tribes is the power of one.



seth_godinHere’s the bad news – there’s all this leverage. There’s all this opportunity. If it doesn’t cost any money to find and lead and connect a tribe, if you can start your own online radio or TV show, if you can have your own blog, if you can use Meetup to connect people in 500 cities, if it’s all available and then you don’t do it, you can’t blame anybody else. That’s your choice. The punch line of the book is this is now an obligation. It’s an obligation – for anyone who cares, for anyone who wants to see change happen – for them to go make that change. One person is all that it takes to change the agenda, to keep people out of poverty, to change the way your school district works, or to get elected. One person is able to now leverage the work and enthusiasm and passion of hundreds or thousands of people.


The future is about leverage


georgeWe’ve gone through this recent financial crisis. Partly it’s a result of too much leverage. So in a financial sense, we can look at leverage as perhaps a bad thing. But you talk in your book about leverage and how leverage as a leader can help you impact change for the good.



seth_godinWell, let’s be really clear though. Leverage isn’t good or bad. Leverage is the way tools work. If you have bad intent, if you have selfish intent, if you have non-transparent intent, you can do all sorts of horrible things with tribes. We’ve seen racism and all sorts of other things amplified by this sort of leverage. The problem in our financial community is not because of leverage. The problem in our financial community is that selfish individuals made short-term decisions in the dark without telling everyone what they were doing. Leverage is the only thing that’s going to get us out of this financial problem and it will. Our future is now all about leverage. Our future is about the fact that one person in Tucson can have a clever idea and have it designed by someone in India, built by someone in Guatemala, and sold by someone in Buenos Aires. That’s extraordinary because we can do that in two weeks instead of two years. If we have good intent, if we’re willing to stand behind what we’re doing, then I’m incredibly optimistic.



marylynnHere’s another thing that’s really exciting about this day and age. As you say in the book, marketing used to be about advertising which is expensive. Now to get the word out about that product you created in two weeks, it’s about engaging your tribe. So that makes it less expensive and easier.



seth_godinIf you look at the most popular blogs in the world, almost all of them did not come from the mainstream media. The people who had all the money, all the access, and all the power, they all failed. Nobody’s going to CBS, The Today Show, or NBC online to hear unique, honest voices. They’re visiting real people, or groups of people – like the “Huffington Posts” of the world – because great ideas win. Great ideas attract enthusiasm and passion. So corporate money doesn’t work the way it used to.


Seth is also the founder of Squidoo, where you can find a special page about Tribes.

Next time, we’ll wrap up our conversation with Seth. He talks about how change and chaos are creating opportunities for all of us today. We’ll also learn what keeps Seth going. Until then, here’s to your bigg success!

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Getting Aggressively Passive: Creating A Passive Income That Sets You Free

Last time, we offered some tips for networking your way through your upcoming holiday parties. Today, we want to talk about one of the most important gifts you can give yourself – a passive income.

Not along ago, we asked you to visualize your dream life – a life where time and money were not an issue. You may think that’s just for fun. It’s not! We’re serious. You can spend your time the way you want. You can be free!

You’re free when your passive income equals the costs of your desired lifestyle.

For the sake of clarity, we define passive income as your money making you money. If you have enough passive income, you can spend your time however you want. You don’t have to work at all, if you don’t want. Or, you can work on your passion.

So, let’s look at the four steps you can take to get aggressively passive and create a passive income that sets you free. The key is to constantly keep your goals in mind so you make the best choices each and every day. For example, if you want to be free sooner, rather than later, you may choose to spend your money differently. Now you have a reason to do so – that dream life you visualize.

Step 1: Purchase with purpose
What if buying that awesome plasma television that you just saw advertised on sale in today’s paper means you have to postpone your new life by a year? That status car may not mean as much as getting to spend your time how you want.

Step 2: Look at the cumulative effect of your decisions
Review your daily routine. $5 here, $5 there soon adds up to a lot of money. Do you eat out every day? Buy a cup of coffee? In his excellent book The Automatic Millionaire, David Bach calls this your “Latte Factor”.  Find one thing that you’re willing to give up now to get to the future you want sooner.

 Step 3: Pay off debt
The reason for the first two steps is to get the money to pay off your debt. Pick one account – ideally it’s your debt on which you’re paying the highest interest rate. Take the money you’re no longer spending from Steps 1 and 2 and use it to pay off your debt.

Don’t stop now … take the money you were using to pay off your first debt, plus the extra money you have from Steps 1 and 2, and use it to pay off your next debt. Repeat until all your debt is paid off.

Step 4: Jump start your passive income
Historically, the two best ways to do this are through owning your own business and investing in income-producing real estate. We’ll look at each of this, respectively, in our next two blogs.

Our quote today is by Groucho Marx.

“It frees you from doing things you dislike.
Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy.”

Next time, we’ll look at how to build a passive income through your own business. Until then, here’s to your bigg success!


Collective Wisdom

By Bigg Success Staff

Career Builders

pm411_logo One great way to build team spirit is to get everyone involved in sharing their knowledge. We’re familiar with user-generated content, in the form of wikis and comments. Why not create an e-mail newsletter that allows anyone on your team to contribute?

Daniel Hintzhsche, a Technical Editor in Microsoft’s Office User Assistance group, had such an idea. He writes about how he started his department’s internal newsletter.

It’s a great post, ripe with tips on how a newsletter could help your organization, how to get newsletter started, tools you can use to create and distribute your newsletter, and how to encourage contributions.

Just be careful – Daniel suggested this idea and now he is Editor-in-Chief. Now that’s taking one for the team!

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